First of all a word of caution; anybody buying a machine, particularly if it does not have any documentation, proof of origin or you are generally unsatisfied, DO NOT BUY; as mistakes can later prove very expensive. Remember: Buyer beware.
If you know the frame and engine number of your BSA you can use this list to identify it. These are always stamped, so any raised numbers are casting numbers. As with all listings of this type there will be mistakes. However, hopefully they will be few and far between. It should also be borne in mind that these listings are given in BSA seasons. This ran, generally from the August in the previous calendar year through to the factory shut down in at the end of the following July. Therefore the 1953 BSA season ran from August 1952 through to July 1953.
The listing has been drawn up using despatch book information cross referenced with listings from other BSA sources such as parts lists and dealer service sheets. The despatch books only go back to 1930 in total with some models books going back to 1925. Therefore anything listed before 1929 cannot be cross referenced but the information is taken from official BSA documents for these earlier machines. If you have a pre-1929 machine and know the date of registration then please e-mail the librarian so that the knowledge of early machines can be increased. The despatch books list the date which a machine was despatched from the factory and the receiving dealer. It sometimes lists whether they have a special finish or special specification. Only in very few circumstances does it list a registration mark usually where the factory registered a machine for a specific event or as a press road test machine.
On most BSA's the frame number is located in the following places. It is always stamped; raised numbers are casting part numbers. Up until 1968 it is rare for the engine and frame number to be identical and where the frame is shared by several models the codes start with the smallest model e.g. all A series models have A7 or A50 prefixes with the exception of the Rocket Gold Star and Super Flash.
This varies from model to model but usually it is on the front top frame member either by the front seat stay or by the steering head.
On the front down tube below or in front of the petrol tank. The exception is the early Bantams where the frame number is between the front engine mounting plate. These are usually faint and small.
By the steering head reinforcing plate or front down tube. Some Bantams on the engine mounting plate, these sometimes break and re-welding obliterates the stamping.
Usually on the front engine mounting lug.
Front engine mounting lug but the engine and frame numbers are the same.
Steering head stem. The oil in frame B-series are stamped on the prop stand bracket.
Engine numbers are easier to find usually by the crankcase mouth on the primary side. Exceptions are the Bantams which could be stamped on the front mounting point or just behind the crankcase mouth.
This is just a guide and will fit most situations but frames were legitimately re-stamped by dealers if the original was damaged and a replacement fitted. These could be stamped anywhere and often were not stamped at all!
Owners with late model BSA's can easily identify the month and year of their machine as the factory adopted a dating system for frame and engine numbers for the 1969 season models. As with all previous BSA seasons the model year started after the factory shutdown in July so that 1969 models were those made from August 1968, through to July 1969. They would however have some machines in stock so that so that it is possible that a July model may be to either the previous or the next year's specification.
The code consisted of three parts, the first as two letters giving month and year respectively, the second was a five digit number and the third a model code. The engine and frame received the same markings. After dating and identifying many thousands of BSA's we have found that often a bike was built or shipped outside the dates given by the lettering system so this should only be used as a rough guide to the year and month of your machine.
To avoid confusion‘‘F’, ‘I’, ‘O’, and ‘L’ were not used, although it is to confuse letters ‘C’. and `G’
The numbering started at the beginning of each season and always started at 00100 leaving the first 99 for experimental use. The numbers were consecutively allocated throughout a model range so as an example all B group machines were lumped together irrespective of whether they were a B25 or B44. From experience in cross-referencing machines against the factory despatch books of which the club have a copy, we have found that in about 50% of cases the bike was not despatched according the date of the lettering. Sometimes they were despatched months earlier or later so the lettering system should just be taken as a rough guide.
The model designations are as follows. The years given are all model years:
Note in 1972 the frames for the twins were marked A65 with no model designation, from XG.00101.A65 on.
Early post war machines up to Z series had the frame stamped similar to the plunger or sprung frames e.g. YA7.R. 9999. (The 'R' meaning RIGID). Also this carried through to some but not all of the engines.
1966 'A' series machines started the season with A50, A50B and A50C frame designations with the usual non-matching engine markings. After frame 3200 the engine and frame markings were the same. There was a short period where the engine marking matched the frame marking but the frame prefix was A50; Presumably to use up stock in store prior to the changeover. Machines still in stock in the 1967 season (about 1000) were resold in the 1969 and 1970 season. These returned machines are shown with a cross at the beginning of the despatch book record; they then reappear at the end of the book with the revised despatch date. The 1969 models are identified by the adding of an extra 0 at the end of the frame marking putting the number series into the 100,000's. Machines re-exported in 1970 were stamped with a 'Y' suffix to indicate that they were 1970 models and therefore eligible for the increased warranty.
The C15 Sports Star 80's and B40 Sports Star 90's engine markings were often abbreviated to CSS and BSS respectively.
A second series of letters and numbers starting ERS means that the unit has been replaced under the factory Exchange Replacement Service and the figures are the despatch record number.
Click on the relevant year below for a complete listing of all engine and frame numbers:
These lists have been compiled from numbers listed in the parts books from 1930 until the factory closed in 1973 and from known bikes up until 1930. The list was compiled painstakingly by the club's Librarian Steve Foden. If you know of any discrepancies please email us.
We can provide a dating certificate for your machine from these records. To obtain one you need to write to the librarian. He will require rubbings or photographs of the frame and engine numbers, a photograph showing the machine and a stamped self-addressed envelope.
The librarian's address is: Mr. Steve Foden. BSAOC Machine Dating Officer PO Box 111 Wirral CH28 9DA