Conical front brake lining rivets

[Servodyne]

Hi all,
Does anybody know where to get the correct ferodo copper rivets for the BSA/Triumph Conical front brake linings. They are part number 19-7467, 3/32" dia with a 19/64" dia head. I've tried most of the usual suppliers but no joy.
Cheers Jim.

[JulianS]

There are a number of brake rivet stockist on the internet.

Below is a list of British Standard rivet sizes from an old Ferodo catalogue.

[Servodyne]

Thanks for that Julian. Great information as always.
I thought I had cracked it when I bought some G4.5 rivets off ebay but when they arrived I found that the heads were bigger than the ones removed from my original old shoes, so wouldn't fit in the pre-drilled new old stock Ferodo AM14FF linings that I have. It's as if BSA had special rivets made by Ferodo that had a G shank diameter (5/32) but with a F head (0.295"). The old rivets are even embossed Ferodo on the head.
I suppose I could modify the new rivets that I've bought, or even open up the counterbore in the new linings, but I was hoping that someone somewhere had a stash of of rivets under the old BSA part number that would go straight in.
Cheers

[Allan G]

Have you considered having "Classic Brake services" reline your shoes?

They might just do the shoes, I know they bond and rivet them and they do a good job.

On my lightning, they skimmed the drum (which was 0.040" out of round) then fit oversize shoes to suit the drum. The braking on that bike is on-par with the original asbestos shoes.
The shoes on my OIF Thunderbolt are the original factory ones, set-up properly with long B50 levers (and most importnatly - B50 cable which has a longer inner cable to suit the longer arms) it is a really - really good brake, you ideally need a fork brake to stop the front end twisting under heavy braking.

[Servodyne]

Thanks for that Allan.
I'd previously used a local brake specialist to bond undrilled Ferodo AM14FF linings that I got from Pat Arnold many years ago, but he's started to get a bit nervous about handling linings with asbestos so he stopped doing it and I had run out of my stash of linings anyway.
It was only when I saw the original pre-drilled linings for the conical hub for sale on ebay that I thought I'd have a go replacing them myself using rivets.
I think I've now managed to identify the correct rivets for the job. They're not the G4.5 5/32" dia rivets that I originally thought, but are in fact F4.5. Looking at ebay photos of nos original Morris minor shoes, you can just see the letter F embossed on the rivet head. It looks like Ferodo in their wisdom, have fitted 9/64" rivets into a 5/32" dia hole, which is confirmed with the information posted by Julian and more careful measurement of the old rivets removed from my old shoes.
I think that I've been lucky not to have a conical hub that's either been badly worn or out of round, so I've not needed to have any skimmed. However, I have used longer arms, (2" between centres) that I make myself using the old cams with stainless arms. It makes for a truly excellent  stopper all my four conical bikes, even on my rather heavy T150 Trident.