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The BSA Workshop => Twins => Topic started by: Splodger on 12 Apr, 2019, 13:22

Title: Are my spokes correct?
Post by: Splodger on 12 Apr, 2019, 13:22
Whilst I've got the forks out and back again to fit new headlamp brackets, I've checked the brake shoes and front wheel bearings. All seems reasonably OK but - look at the pictures of the spokes in the borrani WM32 18" rim. It's a TLS brake drum.
I'm no expert on spokes but the way that the spokes are bent just doesn't seem right to me.
Am I worrying needlessly?
I get concerned when I see the bodgery that has been undertaken in the bike's history. The front wheel nut - see pic -  seems to have enjoyed flirting with a chisel hence my reluctance to take anything for granted on this bike.
I'd welcome your thoughts and recommendations re the spokes.
Title: Re: Are my spokes correct?
Post by: ChrisG on 12 Apr, 2019, 15:52
It should be a 19" rim on the front  not 18" so I wonder if someone has used spokes for a 19" and bent them to suit, or just the wrong spokes for a Borrani Rim. I would seek advice from a competent wheelbuilder as in it's present state your safety may be compromised.
Chris
Title: Re: Are my spokes correct?
Post by: Dean Southall on 12 Apr, 2019, 16:04
There is definately something wrong there. Spokes bent like that just are not safe. I'd get it re-laced.
Title: Re: Are my spokes correct?
Post by: JulianS on 12 Apr, 2019, 16:20
The rim could be wrongly pierced for that hub so the spoke angles are incorrect.
Title: Re: Are my spokes correct?
Post by: Splodger on 12 Apr, 2019, 17:12
Thanks for the quick replies. I've spoken with a local wheelwright who says that all of the spokes should run more or less radially, not angled. There's something oddly weird here so I will get a respoke. I'm not putting that original back in the forks.
Chris, I've read somewhere that one batch of A50s had 18" wheels back and front, can't recall where I read it though. If my wheelwright says that the existing Borrani rim has been damaged then I'll probably get a new 19" replacement.
I'll let you know.
Title: Re: Are my spokes correct?
Post by: DerekAnderson8 on 12 Apr, 2019, 21:00
looks like a conical hub type rim possibly rather than full width hub rim has been used to build, if it needs a good home then let me know!

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Title: Re: Are my spokes correct?
Post by: Splodger on 13 Apr, 2019, 13:42
I will not use the current front wheel as it is. I will probably get a new 19" rim instead - stainless steel looks good. Trouble is, if I go for SS at the front I'll have to ditto for the rear. Only problem after that will be trying to ride the bike without an arm and a leg!
I guess that in due course I'll have two 18" WM3 40-hole Borranis scheduled for ebay - that will lessen the pain a little bit. I'll keep you posted.
Title: Re: Are my spokes correct?
Post by: johnjag on 23 Apr, 2019, 17:22
Hi - the early A65 Stars had 18" wheels back and front.
JohnJag.
Title: Re: Are my spokes correct?
Post by: Splodger on 24 Apr, 2019, 12:39
Hi Johnjag,

Thanks for the heads-up.
I've got a Nov 1961 Instruction manual which indicates that Royal Stars had 18-WM2 front and back.
My 1967 Spitfire had 18" rear and 19" front - alloy rims.
Draganfly shows, for a 1970 Royal Star, WM2-19 front and WM3-18 rear.
I'm going down the route of 18" - WM3 rear and 19" - WM3 front - both alloys. Might not look original but I'll get some fatter tyres on them.
Title: Re: Are my spokes correct?
Post by: ChrisG on 26 Apr, 2019, 16:57
Hi Splodger,
Bear in mind, using an 18" on the front, you may find that the mudguard looks a bit odd as it's arc will be sized for a 19" wheel so it may not be parallel to the tyre. Also it will sit 1/2" higher making the already over generous gap there look worse.
Just a thought
Chris
Title: Re: Are my spokes correct?
Post by: Splodger on 01 May, 2019, 14:06
Hi Chris,

You're absolutely right re looking odd.
The existing 18" front went to the knackers yard this morning - well, I took it to a wheelwright to have a new 19" rim and shiny spokes fitted.
The existing mudguard - a six-tab chrome job complete with dent in the middle - looked horrible against the 18" wheel with a 3.00 tyre fitted so I'm planning to fit a 'short' front mudguard whose aesthetics match the new 19" wheel.
I'll try different mudguard sizes/arcs/radius to get the tight concentric look that sets off a bike.
Title: Re: Are my spokes correct?
Post by: ChrisG on 02 May, 2019, 17:46
Hi Splodger,
You're doing the right thing. I know from bitter experience. Back in the early seventies I had a Triumph Speed Twin 5TA. Bathtub version. These had 17" wheels. I junked the 'Roman Centurion's Helmet' shaped front mudguard for a universal stainless probably to suit a 19" wheel. Fitted OK but looked odd. A friends sister, took a B&W picture of me riding past and I have that picture framed on my lounge wall. So the ill fitting mudguard has been haunting me for the past 48 years !!!!
Chris