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Title: 1952 B31 upgrades
Post by: watts on 05 Jan, 2025, 08:17
Hello

I am contemplating some improvements.

Replacing the old leaky carb (276), I thought about a concentric and wonder about size and jets etc?
It is currently 6v, which is not really an issue, but wondered about an LED bulbs

Also a modern regulator?

Does anyone have any experience or advice about these?

Thank you
Matthew
Title: Re: 1952 B31 upgrades
Post by: yellow B31 on 05 Jan, 2025, 09:08
I have a 1949 B31 that had a worn out 276 and fitted a Mikcarb VM25 as used on the basic Indian 350 Royal Enfield £45 off Ebay. It was intended only as an interim measure but works so well out of the box I have no intention of changing it.

DVR2 electronic regulator likewise works well with a gel battery.
Title: Re: 1952 B31 upgrades
Post by: Derek996 on 05 Jan, 2025, 10:04
My 1948 B32 (same engine as B31) has a 376/2 Monobloc. Starts easily and runs perfectly. I'm also running it at 12V with V2-Reg 2A voltage regulator and LED bulbs throughout. When I bought the bike the dynamo needed rebuilt so I fitted it with 12V field coil and armature. This isn't necessary to get 12V out of a 6V dynamo but otherwise it will struggle to maintain a charge at in town speeds if the lights are on. If your bike is +ve earth make sure that any LEDs you fit are designed for that as they are usually polarity sensitive.
Title: Re: 1952 B31 upgrades
Post by: Dave Halsall on 05 Jan, 2025, 10:19
Morning  Mathew
The type 276 carburettor  is noted for  being  a leaky instrument  but  providing  the slide and body  are not  worn they can be made less leaky and may be  worth doing. It's mainly  the fibre washers  that  leak between  the float chamber  and main body if these  are in good condition  it might be  worthwhile  getting the  kit  from amal carburettors and  rebuilding  your  carburettor.   With  care in reassembly  they can be  OK.
LED  lights  definitely the way to  go but  they  are quite  expensive.
And  a modern  regulator  is a massive improvement.
Hope  that's of help
Title: Re: 1952 B31 upgrades
Post by: idie on 05 Jan, 2025, 10:53
Use a Wipac Quadoptic headlamp and led Bulb like a Night Eye 25 watt equal to 70 watt output
I have these on all my bikes.
Title: Re: 1952 B31 upgrades
Post by: tdc on 05 Jan, 2025, 22:50
If you do change to 12v you may be advised to change the old 6v wireing also. Wireing suddenly burning out can be a problem
Title: Re: 1952 B31 upgrades
Post by: Derek996 on 06 Jan, 2025, 11:36
Quote from: tdc on 05 Jan, 2025, 22:50 If you do change to 12v you may be advised to change the old 6v wireing also. Wireing suddenly burning out can be a problem
The wires are no different 6V or 12V, in fact 6V needs heavier wires because the currents tend to be higher but any loom which is in such a poor condition should be replaced irrespective of the operating voltage.
Title: Re: 1952 B31 upgrades
Post by: tdc on 06 Jan, 2025, 13:12
Quote from: Derek996 on 06 Jan, 2025, 11:36
Quote from: tdc on 05 Jan, 2025, 22:50 If you do change to 12v you may be advised to change the old 6v wireing also. Wireing suddenly burning out can be a problem
The wires are no different 6V or 12V, in fact 6V needs heavier wires because the currents tend to be higher but any loom which is in such a poor condition should be replaced irrespective of the operating voltage.
Well fance that !
Title: Re: 1952 B31 upgrades
Post by: iansoady on 06 Jan, 2025, 16:16
Good old Ohm's Law. 6 volts feeding a 24 watt bulb takes 4 amps; 12 volts for the same bulb 2 amps. Not allowing for heating effects etc.

I always use thinwall 1mm square cable which is available in all the Lucas colours and is rated up to 16.5 amps. Like this:

https://www.almsolutions.co.uk/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=3_60&products_id=42

froom my local supplier.
Title: Re: 1952 B31 upgrades
Post by: V500 on 06 Jan, 2025, 18:26
Also available on mail order from Vintage Wiring Supplies. Good website too, and they sell it by the metre.
Title: Re: 1952 B31 upgrades
Post by: EDDIE SIMPSON on 06 Jan, 2025, 19:46
i have bought an led pilot and headlight bulb off the internet and now run with the herd at night time.
better to be seen and no more charging issue with juicy, aftermarket  electronic ignition.
Title: Re: 1952 B31 upgrades
Post by: watts on 06 Jan, 2025, 21:17
Thank you for all the advice.
I might try and service the 276.
I wondered how I densify the slide, it is marked 6/4 on top side is this 1 1/2?
What slide should it have?

Thank you
Matthew
Title: Re: 1952 B31 upgrades
Post by: Derek996 on 07 Jan, 2025, 10:58
According to the BSA parts lists. Your bike should have a 276DR/1 AT carburettor, I have no idea what the letters mean. It has a 150 main jet, slide is a 6/4, needle in position 3 and a .1065 needle jet. I hope that helps.
Title: Re: 1952 B31 upgrades
Post by: iansoady on 07 Jan, 2025, 11:45
A daft question which I should know the answer to - is the needle position counted from the top or bottom? My bikes have always had it in 3 ie the middle one but my Electra is position 4......
Title: Re: 1952 B31 upgrades
Post by: Derek996 on 07 Jan, 2025, 13:06
Quote from: iansoady on 07 Jan, 2025, 11:45 A daft question which I should know the answer to - is the needle position counted from the top or bottom? My bikes have always had it in 3 ie the middle one but my Electra is position 4......
I've often wondered that too, although I think it's logical to count from the top (leanest position) to the bottom (richest position).
Title: Re: 1952 B31 upgrades
Post by: iansoady on 07 Jan, 2025, 15:05
That's what I thought but would be nice to get confirmation. I'll ask Amal.
Title: Re: 1952 B31 upgrades
Post by: Derek996 on 07 Jan, 2025, 15:22
According to Amal from their FAQs
"Needle Clip position, top down or bottom up?
Something that crops up all the time is whether you count the needle clip slot from the top down or bottom up. With all Amal carburettors the clip position is top down."
Title: Re: 1952 B31 upgrades
Post by: iansoady on 08 Jan, 2025, 10:05
Many thanks Derek, I did try to contact Amal via their website but no reply. I should have checked the FAQs!