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Title: Monoblck carb weeping fuel
Post by: Barnsey on 30 Dec, 2024, 11:39
Dear All,

   My monoblock is weeping fuel around the the end cover, despite having a new gasket.  I reckon I will order a new set of screws as the ones on there are mashed up, but would anyone recommend using a sealant on the gasket?  If so what brand to go for? 

     BR,   Ian
Title: Re: Monoblck carb weeping fuel
Post by: idie on 30 Dec, 2024, 12:02
The chances are that the cover is distorted. Unusual for the carb body to distort you can check carb by rubbing it on some glass with some grinding paste.plenty of covers on ebay.
Title: Re: Monoblck carb weeping fuel
Post by: Barnsey on 30 Dec, 2024, 12:05
Maybe you are right!   :-[

I'll take a look on Ebay.

Title: Re: Monoblck carb weeping fuel
Post by: iansoady on 30 Dec, 2024, 12:46
Some (aftermarket) gaskets are very thin. The proper Amal one is a thick one which seals better.
Title: Re: Monoblck carb weeping fuel
Post by: V500 on 30 Dec, 2024, 13:07
Yep, some gaskets are just thin paper while the proper jobs are the thick red or green coloured ones.
Title: Re: Monoblck carb weeping fuel
Post by: Barnsey on 30 Dec, 2024, 13:14
Okay! I've ordered a new cover, screws and new gaskets.  If the gaskets look to be on the thin side I can put two together.  This looks to be the sledge hammer approach. If that doesn't work I will have to try Hylomar. 
Title: Re: Monoblck carb weeping fuel
Post by: iansoady on 30 Dec, 2024, 15:21
Wellseal works better in my experience. But you shouldn't need anything with the correct gasket.
Title: Re: Monoblck carb weeping fuel
Post by: Dean Southall on 31 Dec, 2024, 07:33
I have never had to use a sealant.
Title: Re: Monoblck carb weeping fuel
Post by: DAVE BRADY on 31 Dec, 2024, 08:28
Hi,

I have never used sealant either.  Get a gasket from Amal. The proper ones are branded.

Dave.
Title: Re: Monoblck carb weeping fuel
Post by: Barnsey on 31 Dec, 2024, 08:39
I see what you mean about the difference between original and non-original gaskets.  I thought that mine came from Amal as a part of the servicing kit but I will check.   It was a while ago. 
Title: Re: Monoblck carb weeping fuel
Post by: MadPete on 31 Dec, 2024, 11:15
I personally would not recommend a jointing compound on the carb bowl as it can make disassembly and cleaning a bit of a chore. Real petrol resistant sealers stick like the proverbial and can be difficult to remove.

If the mating surface of the carb bowl and the carb body are reasonably good then the correct (thicker) gasket will do the job very well and is usually to be preferred.

If the mating surfaces are very compromised then replacement is the only real solution. Using a grinding plate/paste to reface the carb bowl is possible but remember to check the inlet needle level adjustment.
Title: Re: Monoblck carb weeping fuel
Post by: Stubaker58 on 31 Dec, 2024, 12:59
RR has a section in the unit singles book on this issue. Very often it's the lid which is distorted and needs bending back. RR gives dimensions for a jig to do the job.
Regards.
Title: Re: Monoblck carb weeping fuel
Post by: ducati2242 on 31 Dec, 2024, 16:08
cant remember which bike i was working on at the time but the amal monobloc was always leaking at the float chamber cover . It turned out the float spindle bush was too long and stopping the cover fully tightening . I even faced off the cover in the lathe as i thought it must have been warped but it still leaked until i realised that the bush was the wrong one . It could also be the float axel is touching the cover and holding it back from fully tightening .
Title: Re: Monoblck carb weeping fuel
Post by: Barnsey on 31 Dec, 2024, 16:55
Now that is an interesting thought!  I will check thanks!

  It looks like this might have been an issue for a long time as the paint had stripped from the chain guard underneath.  I thought that I had fixed any leaks in rebuilding the carb, so I treated the chainguard to a fresh coat of paint, only to have the new lacquer turn to marmalade!
Title: Re: Monoblck carb weeping fuel
Post by: MadPete on 01 Jan, 2025, 15:31
I presume the leak has been confirmed from the gasket seal area. If not, I wondered if it might be an overflowing carb via the tickler button? Rare but possible I suppose...
Title: Re: Monoblck carb weeping fuel
Post by: Barnsey on 02 Jan, 2025, 16:08
The new cover has arrived, ....  but..  . I'm a bit bothered about the quality of this cover. It looks like the back casting die didn't line up with the front casting die. SO there are three 'dinks' in the mating face which will compromise the seal.  IF it had been aligned properly these would have lined up with the holes. 

  Has anyone else seen this? 


 
Title: Re: Monoblck carb weeping fuel
Post by: Barnsey on 02 Jan, 2025, 16:22
(file:///media/ian/IANS_USB/amal-cover.jpg)

  Not having much joy inserting a photo!
Title: Re: Monoblck carb weeping fuel
Post by: rhyatt on 03 Jan, 2025, 14:10
Can you lap the old or new cover to the carb body with valve paste ?
Title: Re: Monoblck carb weeping fuel
Post by: Barnsey on 04 Jan, 2025, 08:16
Now, that is a thought, but it won't need too much lapping as the aluminium is soft. 

 I suspect that the dies were wrongly assembled when the lids were cast and an entire batch was wrong.  So 'they are all like that', may not be a valid argument.  Hmmm!?
Title: Re: Monoblck carb weeping fuel
Post by: Barnsey on 04 Jan, 2025, 14:14
On closer inspection the old cover was definitely distorted around the screw holes, maybe due to overtightening, hence the mashed up screws. 

So, new cover, gasket and screws and the jobs a good-un. No more leak.  This despite the odd dinks in the new cover, which, I note, the old cover didn't have.  I did take a opportunity to scrape off the sharp edges from these 'dinks' with a chisel. 

 
Title: Re: Monoblck carb weeping fuel
Post by: MadPete on 12 Jan, 2025, 10:43
Result! The motto of the story seems to be don't overtighten the screws...
Title: Re: Monoblck carb weeping fuel
Post by: iansoady on 12 Jan, 2025, 15:23
... as always! The previous owner of my Electra must have been a gorilla. It's the only British bike I've had where slackening 1/4" cover screws gives an audible crack like Japanese originals. Surprisingly no threads are stripped.