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The BSA Workshop => Singles => Topic started by: Geoff Leake on 14 May, 2024, 19:57

Title: Ammeter
Post by: Geoff Leake on 14 May, 2024, 19:57
Evening gents, I've just broken the ammeter for my 1947 B33 rigid (it fits in the panel in the headlamp) by overtightening it whilst attempting to re-fit it! It's no great loss as it's a cheap reproduction one. Nevertheless, I'd like to replace it with the correct type and a better quality one too. As we know, there are many advertised, many of dubious quality. so can anybody please point me in the right direction as the the correct type and where best to source it?

Cheers. 
Title: Re: Ammeter
Post by: Derek996 on 15 May, 2024, 10:24
I've never had to replace mine yet so can't recommend any. You could maybe find one from Altec Automotive who I've used for various electrical bits. They are good to deal with and the quality has always been good. https://www.altecautomotive.co.uk/ammeters-2208-c.asp (https://www.altecautomotive.co.uk/ammeters-2208-c.asp)
Title: Re: Ammeter
Post by: yellow B31 on 15 May, 2024, 11:58
That's Interesting. Which one is the correct face type for a 1949 B31?
Title: Re: Ammeter
Post by: Derek996 on 15 May, 2024, 12:29
My B32 is 1948 and this one is fitted https://www.altecautomotive.co.uk/ammeter-black-8-0-8-----altww19002-1-82-35977-p.asp (https://www.altecautomotive.co.uk/ammeter-black-8-0-8-----altww19002-1-82-35977-p.asp)
although I think it would have originally been a Lucas item https://www.altecautomotive.co.uk/lucas-ammeter-36084-altww19021-1-82-35999-p.asp (https://www.altecautomotive.co.uk/lucas-ammeter-36084-altww19021-1-82-35999-p.asp)
Title: Re: Ammeter
Post by: Geoff Leake on 15 May, 2024, 12:38
Hi Derek, thanks very much for the recommendation. They say they're British made items, in which case they certainly seem good value for money. I'm off to call them now. It's great this forum! Cheers.
Title: Re: Ammeter
Post by: yellow B31 on 15 May, 2024, 14:31
Thanks for reply. I have 12-0-12. It works so will leave on.
Title: Re: Ammeter
Post by: Geoff Leake on 15 May, 2024, 14:36
Hello again, i spoke to Altec Automotive, although the guy was helpful he doesn't know which ammeter is the correct one for my bike. I'd prefer to use a
genuine Lucas one; and I very much suspect it's Lucas part number 36084 for 6V Applications up until the late 1960's.

I propose to buy this: https://www.altecautomotive.co.uk/lucas-ammeter-36084-altww19021-1-82-35999-p.asp

Can anybody confirm it's correct - or otherwise. Or maybe it doesn't matter that much? Thanks.
Title: Re: Ammeter
Post by: V500 on 15 May, 2024, 16:12
I don't know whether it would be correct for your bike (appearance-wise) or not, but it's modern Lucas, so made in Taiwan or similar and supplied by Wassell.
You may as well go for any generic ammeter as sold on Ebay. You'll get a bigger range of choice and probably cheaper on Ebay too.
Title: Re: Ammeter
Post by: Geoff Leake on 15 May, 2024, 17:49
Thanks for the advice V500. I guess it doesn't matter very much which one I choose as long as it looks about right. I'm probably over-thinking it, so I'll go ahead and order a decent one at a reasonable price. Tanks again all for your comments and observations.
Title: Re: Ammeter
Post by: scifi on 15 May, 2024, 21:18
I think there are three things you need to check..  Is it 1 3/4 inch diameter.     What current range is Ok, 8A or 12A
Do you need it to be back-lit with a bulb..?
Title: Re: Ammeter
Post by: Bicycle repair man on 15 May, 2024, 23:08
The big Lucas Master catalogue lists a CZ27 ammeter. Part number 364455. It has 8-0-8 on the dial and is 1 5/8" diameter and has a metal body. They turn up occasionally but are rather expensive. The part number was referred at some point in the fifties to 36084. This is listed as CZU27 and only has  - or + on the scale but is still 8 amp. They both would have windows in for back lighting.
Title: Re: Ammeter
Post by: Geoff Leake on 16 May, 2024, 09:28
Good morning Bicycle repair man, thanks for your contribution.

I've actually ordered a Lucas 36084 from Altec Automotive, which they refer to as 1-3/4" and it is also universally advertised as being 1-3/4" everywhere else I've searched - not the 1-5/8" you've mentioned. I hope it'll fit otherwise it's back to the drawing board. Cheers.
Title: Re: Ammeter
Post by: Geoff Leake on 16 May, 2024, 09:42
Hi Scifi, thanks for your observations, you'll see my post to Bicycle Repair Man a few minutes ago. Mine is 1-3/4 inch diameter, the current range is Ok at 8A and I'd not considered the need for a back-lit type. Let's hope 36084 fits and works just fine when I get it. thanks again.
Title: Re: Ammeter
Post by: JulianS on 16 May, 2024, 09:52
This is from the 1936-50 Lucas catalogue.

The black faced 36084 should be fine for your bike. These are found with no numbered amp markings, 8 - 8 and 12 - 12.
Title: Re: Ammeter
Post by: Geoff Leake on 16 May, 2024, 10:41
Thanks JulianS, I'm fairly uninitiated about these things but I was pretty confident I'd ordered an appropriate type. I think that should now put the matter to bed, thanks to everybody who contributed. I've mentioned this before but it's worth repeating, this forum is bloody excellent!