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Title: Bsa M21 gearbox false neutrals
Post by: Ralphy on 01 Jun, 2023, 11:59
Hi, I am asking for info, opinions, tips etc regarding the late type M21 gearbox, when shifting up through the gears I get a lot of false neutrals especially between 2nd and 3rd and less so between 3rd and 4th, I don't think it is a problem in the main gear selectors but more to do with the pawls and springs, has anyone had any of these issues and how was it rectified, cheers, Ralphy
Title: Re: Bsa M21 gearbox false neutrals
Post by: Rog1 on 01 Jun, 2023, 15:46
I had issues with this and I've heard it's not the best shifting gearbox in the world. I was advised by another rider with the same gearbox to keep some pressure on the gear lever until the drive is taken up. When I do this I get very few false neutrals. From neutral into first, though, I find rolling the bike back slightly at the same time as putting the bike into gear works well, as does a tickover speed that isn't too high. I just push back with the left foot. Not that it should be really slow, no matter how nice it sounds.
Title: Re: Bsa M21 gearbox false neutrals
Post by: idie on 01 Jun, 2023, 18:07
If you remove the outer cover at the top right is an adjusterable  linkage half a turn either way may do it. Otherwise go on the WDM20 site lots of gearbox info on there.
Title: Re: Bsa M21 gearbox false neutrals
Post by: Ralphy on 06 Jun, 2023, 07:56
thanks for the info gents, I will check out the adjustment of the link,
cheers, Ralph
Title: Re: Bsa M21 gearbox false neutrals
Post by: WayneBergman on 09 Jun, 2023, 00:52
I am not sure if my gearbox is the same as yours but what works best for my 52 B33 is when going from 2nd to 3rd gear I always take care to press slow and steady on the foot shift lever and I KEEP the foot pressure steady on the foot lever until I fully release the clutch lever. Only after third gear is fully engaged and pulling under power do I release the foot pressure on the shifting lever. I still get false nuturals going from 4th to 3rd but I have found the description above to help a lot with less false neutrals going from 2nd to third. Also if I short shift, as in moving from second to third in the lower revs I get a better result if the revs are low enough. I dont even have to use my normal work arounds for missing neutral if the revs are low at shift time. Good luck, hope this helps.
For what its worth I pretty much totally rebuilt the gear box last year and this work around is still my go to solution, the rebuilt helped with some of the other issues but I still have false neutral issues from time to time.........wayne.
Title: Re: Bsa M21 gearbox false neutrals
Post by: Stubaker58 on 09 Jun, 2023, 08:05
That's a nice looking bike and I love the stand! Do the legs hinge and what is the technique for lifting the bike up?
Title: Re: Bsa M21 gearbox false neutrals
Post by: WayneBergman on 09 Jun, 2023, 16:39
Thanks Studebaker, I dont want to hijack this thread but to answer your question yes it has a hinged rear leg assembly. So when the rear legs are not in the locked position as shown in the photo I engine power the bike up the slope of the bike stand to the bikes final stopped  location, then with a helper I ask them to slide the car jack under the down slope of the jack and lift the rear of the stand up to its resting level location. Then I fasten the rachet straps and also lock in the hinged rear legs. I also lock in the rear wheel so it doesnt want to roll of the stand. Seems to work well. Thanks for the compliment........wayne
Title: Re: Bsa M21 gearbox false neutrals
Post by: Rog1 on 10 Jun, 2023, 17:31
Although my gearbox is about par for the course, I have an embarrassing issue at traffic lights and roundabouts, when it will not go into gear. I said above it's not too bad with a low tickover, but I'd forgotten how my tickover speed goes up when the engine warms up, meaning I can't get it into gear and of course it's when there's a queue of cars behind me. It didn't do this so much before, but now I'm running in after a rebore it's quite a problem.

Perhaps this needs a new forum thread.
Title: Re: Bsa M21 gearbox false neutrals
Post by: idie on 10 Jun, 2023, 18:08
Try adjusting the linkage. Inside front cover top right.
Title: Re: Bsa M21 gearbox false neutrals
Post by: Rog1 on 11 Jun, 2023, 08:04
Quote from: idie on 10 Jun, 2023, 18:08
Try adjusting the linkage. Inside front cover top right.

Not quite awake yet, (it's Sunday morning) so is this in answer to me?