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Title: Dating certificates & DVLA applications
Post by: DON GRAY on 17 March, 2017, 06:34:57
Hello fellow Beezer enthusiasts!

 I've recently come to the end of rebuilding my B44 Victor Special Street Scrambler, & having applied with the necessary docs & pics to the dating officer, was wondering what sort of lead time there was in getting things back.... from the dating certificate, then to the DVLA doing their stuff? Anyone done this successfully recently please? Naturally I'm itching to try her out!

Nice looking forum....I'm new on here, but looks like plenty of info here!  :)

Cheers Don.
Title: Re: Dating certificates & DVLA applications
Post by: MOONSDRIFT on 17 March, 2017, 15:28:30
I submitted my application to DVLA back in October (cheque dated 31.10.16) cheque cashed the next working day, between Christmas and new year they asked for more information? so I sent photos of bike, engine and frame number etc, last week I phoned DVLA and they said they would write to me in the next two weeks!!

Twenty weeks now!!

If I put the reg number into the DVLA system it comes up strait away, so I do not know what the delay is.

Good luck with your application but don't expect DVLA to be quick.
Title: Re: Dating certificates & DVLA applications
Post by: bobandbec on 17 March, 2017, 22:57:06
I recently applied to BSAOC for dating letter.
That took about 5 weeks to come back.
Title: Re: Dating certificates & DVLA applications
Post by: DON GRAY on 18 March, 2017, 11:45:24
Well....blimey! I was rather hoping to use the bike sometime soon!  :( Hope my dating certificate comes through quicker than that! Fingers crossed.....
Title: Re: Dating certificates & DVLA applications
Post by: MOONSDRIFT on 18 March, 2017, 15:19:13
Update, I received a letter today from DVLA asking for more information and photos!!
I sent all the photos at Christmas, well at least the bike is appreciating with time, by the time I get my V5C the bike will me worth a fortune! :D
Title: Re: Dating certificates & DVLA applications
Post by: SLIPPERY SAM on 20 March, 2017, 13:12:53
I'm having similar problems.
Can anyone ping me a private message with contact details other than a postal address for Steve please?
I'm beginning to think something has gone missing in the post!

PS - My experience so far -
Moondrift - similar to you I had a V5 with the bike (had been off the road since early 80s?) - When I sent all that off - the number was showing on DVLA - I got the run around - number in use by someone else etc - send photos, filled out forms etc - eventually after monthss and a lot of back and forth - I was told number is void - fill out a built up (Q plate)  - Nahh, don't think so.
I then went down the dating route for age related application.  Had to finish the build though which took a couple of months.  I got some information but had to send it back for correction and at the same time jump through the Nova 1 importation hoop as the motor had originally been sent to Holland!  Got the HMRC bit done just waiting on the corrected dating report (and needing to check it's not gone missing in the post).
From First sending off my V5 (end of April 16), through DVLA wrangling - through finishing build - through dating - through HMRC importation duty to now and clock still ticking.  Good thing is at least the bike is still clean and zero miles sitting under a dust cover -read yo go.  Just hoping I'm not going to be too old to kick start it when I finally get it registered - LOL

Raymond.
Title: Re: Dating certificates & DVLA applications
Post by: DON GRAY on 20 March, 2017, 17:35:54
In my experience of the Trident & Rocket 3 OC, to apply & receive the dating certificate to change it at DVLA to Historic Vehicle Class took only a week. So hoping that Steve will be able to produce the goods soon as Spring has sprung round here!  8)
Title: Re: Dating certificates & DVLA applications
Post by: DON GRAY on 21 March, 2017, 11:18:02
Any luck with contacting Steve - Raymond (Slipperysam)????
Title: Re: Dating certificates & DVLA applications
Post by: 13Brads on 21 March, 2017, 14:21:24
They completely denied ever receiving my application but somehow managed to cash my cheque!!!
Managed to get my money back eventually, but subsequently took weeks to get my bike registered and had to accept an age related number despite some very comprehensive history and evidence. Not impressed. :(
Title: Re: Dating certificates & DVLA applications
Post by: SLIPPERY SAM on 21 March, 2017, 16:46:45
Any luck with contacting Steve - Raymond (Slipperysam)????
No not yet. I do really appreciate everything the club does and I'm very mindful that these guys are doing this for the love of it and I'm guessing can get very busy.  So I'm not keen to sound like I'm moaning - I'm absolutely not.
I'll try sending a letter just to make sure I'm in the queue and not lost in the post 😁
Cheers raymond
Title: Re: Dating certificates & DVLA applications
Post by: bobandbec on 21 March, 2017, 22:50:56
When I was waiting to hear about my dating letter from BSAOC I sent an email via the contact us on the main BSAOC site. This was after I had waited about three weeks and I was worried my letter of application might have not reached its destination.
The reply was that it can take 6 to 8 weeks for the dating officer to sort out these applications because, as you said, they are all volunteers and have limited time to devote to the process.
Mine came back at about six weeks after sending.
As I was not in a hurry anyway this was not a problem for me.
Title: Re: Dating certificates & DVLA applications
Post by: SLIPPERY SAM on 22 March, 2017, 13:34:28
I'll give the contact page a try.  I've already waited my 6 weeks - now half way through my second 6 weeks.  Hope everything is okay this time round  :D
Raymond.
Title: Re: Dating certificates & DVLA applications
Post by: DON GRAY on 22 March, 2017, 18:35:34
Ho hum! There's a phrase that comes to mind here....patience maketh the man.... Dunno where it comes from but, with little alternatives......we just gotta chill man....& let Steve get around to it when he can & hope the mandarins in the DVLA do the right thing for us in a timely manner..

Good luck all!!
Title: Re: Dating certificates & DVLA applications
Post by: MALCOLM.JOHNSON on 22 March, 2017, 20:05:21
Back in 2004, I had restored/rebuilt an A10 which came to me with an old brown continuation logbook and all numbers checked out with the machine. However Steve Foden turned me down for support in retaining the number and  I emphasise this is not a criticism of him. It turned out that the frame had left the factory the year after the year stated on the logbook. Quite clearly a clerical error at the time of the continuation book, but my evidence was not sound enough and therefore I had to re apply for a dating certificate for an age related number. All this took several months and eventually I took the train with all the relevant documents to my then local DVLA to get the machine registered. I had also taken with me the old log book and to cut a long story short .... I was asked what was wrong with the registration  number on the old book :o! I was duly provided with my number plate authority for its original number! AND when the V5 arrived it had been left as a transferable registration. How times have changed. When I eventually sold the bike on, I left the number where I hope it will stay....and that is with the bike.  Finally Steve will have certain parameters that he can operate with and one of those will be the time he has available to do a pretty thankless task - well done Steve.   
Title: Re: Dating certificates & DVLA applications
Post by: DON GRAY on 30 March, 2017, 21:34:19
UPDATE - Hi All, just received my dating certificate from Steve, so..... Next stop DVLA !

Sincere thanks Steve if you read this, or can it pass on....You do a sterling & very valuable job for the club members. Cheers! Don Gray.  :)
Title: Re: Dating certificates & DVLA applications
Post by: SLIPPERY SAM on 31 March, 2017, 13:02:34
Don,
I got mine back on Wednesday - Unfortunately 2" ripped off one corner and the top had a big split in it - so back in the loop for a 3rd time - grrr...  This one we can only put down to the post office!  I've never had anything damaged in the post before now - it would have to be the thing I've been waiting 12 weeks for!!!
There's always next year - Or might be giving Mick (MB) on ebay a run for his money if I break the thing - it really is becoming an attractive option.
Raymond.
Title: Re: Dating certificates & DVLA applications
Post by: DON GRAY on 03 April, 2017, 12:48:39
Hi Raymond

Just got my Victor Special MOt'd on Saturday & since it says on the dating certificate it was originally exported to the states, I've just sent the relevant forms & supporting info to HMRC. So.... hopefully they'll process that by return.....then send accumulated stuff to DVLA.... Good luck with yours. Wont the DVLA accept a damaged certificate then? Cheers Don 
Title: Re: Dating certificates & DVLA applications
Post by: SLIPPERY SAM on 03 April, 2017, 20:55:46
Don, I've gone with the ripped one, it's only the corner missing and not any information. It looks like a well used one that's been knocking about a garage toolbox for year despite only being a week old.
Hope you get a pleasant surprise with the nova forms, HMRC were really quick with a reply to mine.  Mind you they (HMRC) just done me over at work with this new IR35 contractor tax policy - I've just had to change contracts and now earning 60% of what I did last week!  Time for a new job I think🤔
Meanwhile back on topic - the race is on for this registration.
I've got everything crossed🙄
Stick in
Raymond.
Title: Re: Dating certificates & DVLA applications
Post by: SLIPPERY SAM on 24 April, 2017, 08:13:20
My lunge for the line - to win the race to get registered just took a nasty turn on Friday.  I got home to a brown DVLA envelope and I could hardly contain myself as I hurriedly opened the thing!  Upon reading the first line - my heart sank - Your application has been rejected!!!
Ohh man!!
Reading further it went on to state that dating certificates must be this and that and state the evidence used - blah blah - definitely a standard cover all response (rejection).  I went through the dating certificate - checking off all the 'rules', yip, states that, covers this - what's the problem?  Then it dawned on me - hang on this is a photo copy!  Went to my BSA folder and sure enough - there were the originals.  Turns out in all the form filling, copying of passports, electricity bills etc - I'd not included the original dating certificates (about the only one that has to be original).  So all sorted out packaged up and back in the post to DVLA.

So there goes another 4 weeks of my life - and another 4 to wait - man this registering a bike thing will be the end of me.
Fingers crossed again.
Raymond.
Title: Re: Dating certificates & DVLA applications
Post by: DON GRAY on 24 April, 2017, 10:10:35
Well you are still just ahead of me Raymond! I've just heard that my Nova application has been approved, so will gather all the evidence & docs together for the DVLA & get that in the post tomorrow. So... thanks for the timely reminder about sending the original dating certs & fingers crossed, might be allowed to ride my Beezer by the end of May! Damn drawn out process eh!!   :-\
Title: Re: Dating certificates & DVLA applications
Post by: MOONSDRIFT on 24 April, 2017, 18:42:36
Update, now over 26 weeks waiting for DVLA and my V5C,
did someone say 'patience make the man'
Title: Re: Dating certificates & DVLA applications
Post by: DON GRAY on 24 April, 2017, 18:52:10
Crikey! Have you rung them to see what on earth is happening? Gotta be worth hanging on a phone??  :o
Title: Re: Dating certificates & DVLA applications
Post by: MOONSDRIFT on 25 April, 2017, 15:27:30
Yes, they say the person dealing with my case is unavailable at the moment, but they will write to me!
Title: Re: Dating certificates & DVLA applications
Post by: DON GRAY on 07 May, 2017, 19:53:53
UPDATE! Received the new V5 & age related number for my B44 Victor Special on Saturday. Took DVLA 11 days to process & that included a Bank Holiday in there as well. I think that's pretty reasonable TBH. Hopefully I'll get my certificates etc back under seperate cover soon..... Took her for a Short shakedown spin today & returned home happy & with a list of bits n bobs to adjust. Running a bit rich & there's a blimmin rattle somewhere on neutral throttle openings.....primary chain??? Anyway, head re torque & tappets to do as well.... Good luck to those still waiting for the DVLA to do their stuff. Cheers All!
Title: Re: Dating certificates & DVLA applications
Post by: SLIPPERY SAM on 08 May, 2017, 07:53:30
Congratulations Don,  Must be a great feeling.
I fear my own shake down is a bit off yet.  I did receive another DVLA envelope - sadly not a V5.  This time it was a letter telling me that they wanted an SGS examination!
So I have the letter with me today and will give them a call.  I really hope I don't have to go and hire a van and take a day off to get an inspection done???
The hilarious bit of the letter is at the bottom they say - If you have to take the vehicle to SGS to be examined (that's what makes me think they won't come to me) - please note the vehicle needs to be roadworthy, Taxed and insured - not sure how I can do that without a registration?
Still living in hope of a result this side of Christmas.
Raymond.
Title: Re: Dating certificates & DVLA applications
Post by: DON GRAY on 08 May, 2017, 14:24:42
Yes Raymond, thank you, a great feeling resurrecting a "dead" bike & feeling it alive again & as it was 50 years ago! Crikey! Shame yours is taking so long with them. I guess I was very lucky as mine was straightforward just needing a new number issuing. Hopefully after a bit of carb tuning & tinkering, she'll be good to go for another 50! Good luck with yours.
Title: Re: Dating certificates & DVLA applications
Post by: DEREKANDERSON8 on 08 May, 2017, 18:38:52
Excellent news Don!

Raymond I was worried I would have to get inspection on my A65 luckily didn't get to that stage. I think your bike would pass inspection no problem at all looks like you will be hiring a van! wonder where you have to take it to or can a club inspector do it for you? or was that the old way of doing things.

cheers

derek
Title: Re: Dating certificates & DVLA applications
Post by: SLIPPERY SAM on 09 May, 2017, 12:46:14
Irony is I already got an owners club report along with my dating certificate - so have already proven it's complete, clear numbers, photos, rubbings and all.  I did read somewhere that about 10% get lumbered with an SGS examination.  Mine has a note on the BSAOC report that says the engine originally went to Holland (hence had to get HMRC import duty exemptions (Nova 1 forms) etc) and that might be why it popped up in the percentage that get inspected.  Hay ho - we'll just have to get on with it.  I called to arrange an inspection yesterday to be reminded that it takes 5 days for them to arrange so will get a date next week which should be inside 4 weeks depending on workload.  What's another 5 weeks between friends?  Think I'll be fitting a pair of knobbly tyres for the shakedown run about November :-)  Double irony is the bike only took 7 months to build and I'm at 6 months this week trying to register with about 5 weeks plus DVLA time to come!
I'm afraid the magic is beginning to rub off a little - haven't even lifted the dust cover off for about 4 weeks and can hardly remember what the thing looks like :-(  I fear I might start a new project before this one is on the road.
Patience maketh the man and all that.
Heads up though - if for any reason the examination determines I can't get an age related plate or need a Q plate - there will be a load of cracking parts hitting the for sale section and Ebay!  Reckon I'd have more chance of getting my investment back that way :-)  Brand new fresh Roller bearing bottom end, standard size barrels with new 9:1 pistons, recon alloy head, Bob Newby belt clutch kit, New Lucas dynamo, recon K2f, Lyta tank, recon G/B, SRM oil pump ........ - could take me a while to list everything :-)
Raymond.
Title: Re: Dating certificates & DVLA applications
Post by: DEREKANDERSON8 on 09 May, 2017, 16:03:18
Irony is I already got an owners club report along with my dating certificate - so have already proven it's complete, clear numbers, photos, rubbings and all.  I did read somewhere that about 10% get lumbered with an SGS examination.  Mine has a note on the BSAOC report that says the engine originally went to Holland (hence had to get HMRC import duty exemptions (Nova 1 forms) etc) and that might be why it popped up in the percentage that get inspected.  Hay ho - we'll just have to get on with it.  I called to arrange an inspection yesterday to be reminded that it takes 5 days for them to arrange so will get a date next week which should be inside 4 weeks depending on workload.  What's another 5 weeks between friends?  Think I'll be fitting a pair of knobbly tyres for the shakedown run about November :-)  Double irony is the bike only took 7 months to build and I'm at 6 months this week trying to register with about 5 weeks plus DVLA time to come!
I'm afraid the magic is beginning to rub off a little - haven't even lifted the dust cover off for about 4 weeks and can hardly remember what the thing looks like :-(  I fear I might start a new project before this one is on the road.
Patience maketh the man and all that.
Heads up though - if for any reason the examination determines I can't get an age related plate or need a Q plate - there will be a load of cracking parts hitting the for sale section and Ebay!  Reckon I'd have more chance of getting my investment back that way :-)  Brand new fresh Roller bearing bottom end, standard size barrels with new 9:1 pistons, recon alloy head, Bob Newby belt clutch kit, New Lucas dynamo, recon K2f, Lyta tank, recon G/B, SRM oil pump ........ - could take me a while to list everything :-)
Raymond.

this is the home stretch you are on now don't give up! all this nice weather we are having will be gone on Friday and then its back to the usual and should pick up again in time for you being on the road! Scottish Classic show on june 17th!
Title: Re: Dating certificates & DVLA applications
Post by: DON GRAY on 10 May, 2017, 11:18:12
Hold the faith Raymond!! You'll get there!! This inspection - if its the same as I've heard about before - I believe just takes about 10 mins & is for "them" to visually verify the paperwork & description all tallies with the "real thing". I really hope it all works out soon for you...cheers Don.
Title: Re: Dating certificates & DVLA applications
Post by: MIKEPLUMBER on 12 May, 2017, 19:57:40
Hi there I have recently been through this with an old C11g that had been off the road for a long time old reg not on DVLA records.
Thanks to BSA owners club dating certificate & build sheet I applied for v55 all I had was dating info pictures of bike frame  & engine no. pictures rubbings
MOT exemption form my ID .DVLA asked for inspection so this was arranged man came out as promised looked over bike (I were not present )called me to check all parts we original went away aprox 2 weeks later have been issued age related plate well pleased thanks to dating officer
                                  Mike
Title: Re: Dating certificates & DVLA applications
Post by: MOONSDRIFT on 26 May, 2017, 19:39:40
Hi Mike, can I ask, did you have to pay for the inspection?
After 30! Weeks, DVLA have now said my C15 requires inspection, after 30 weeks! I am fet up of calling them only to be told a letter is in the post, the last time I emailed photo of Bike and had a reply that they would reply in three working days - after ten days and no reply, I called yet again to be told that was an automated email and to TAKE NO NOTICE of this! They said there was a letter to me on the screen but refused to tell be what it said.

The service from DVLA s dreadful and if I treated customers this was I would have no customers - clearly DVLA are not answerable to anyone!

I am of a mind to break the bike as dealing with DVLA will raise my blood pressure to an unacceptable level.

Thanks
Mark
Title: Re: Dating certificates & DVLA applications
Post by: MIKEPLUMBER on 31 May, 2017, 22:18:04
Hi Mark
           No there is no cost for the inspection .I understand that you feel DVLA have not been much help to you but as far as I am cocerned they
were very good and did all they were ment to !!! As I said before the inspection was the last stage for me so hang in there .
                                                           Mike
P.S I have nothing to do with the DVLA
Title: Re: Dating certificates & DVLA applications
Post by: SLIPPERY SAM on 05 June, 2017, 18:46:15
Whoop whoop
Well it's finally here😀
Got my registration through today!
6 months and a day but who's counting.
Quick question - is 3 numbers followed by 3 letters normal for an age related plate (1956 model)?  I was kind of expecting 3 letters followed by 3 numbers?
Also - I believe white on black is the correct style for this year? Silver on black pressed number plates are easier to obtain but not sure how correct that'd be.  I'm not a rivet counter would just be a shame to give a rivet counter an excuse to comment for the sake of asking what's correct 😀  What's more is the variety of sizes and shapes - don't know which to go for?
Nearly on the road though - plates insurance (against the proper reg) and tax (historic😀) I can nearly feel the wind in my hair (not that I have much left now! Had a full mullet before I got this bike - LOL
Raymond
Title: Re: Dating certificates & DVLA applications
Post by: JulianS on 05 June, 2017, 19:17:39
That good news.

Numbers followed by letters is OK - way back, when Local Tax Offices ran out of  letters followed by numbers they changed to numbers followed by letters.

For example in 1956 Surrey County Council issued a series of 3 numbers follwed by letters APA.

As number plates were made up locally the styles vary on what was available- silver on black pressed, stick on white on blackand raised white on black for example.
Title: Re: Dating certificates & DVLA applications
Post by: SLIPPERY SAM on 06 June, 2017, 08:31:52
Thanks Jules,
Number plates ordered.
Will phone around for fresh insurance at lunchtime (had it on a joint policy by frame number but MCE said they couldn't leave it on a frame number any longer and cancelled it!).
Could be on the road by the weekend - assuming the monsoon subsides :-)

Cheers Raymond.
Title: Re: Dating certificates & DVLA applications
Post by: DON GRAY on 14 June, 2017, 15:27:27
Well done Raymond!!  :D I bet you are chuffed!! All go now then!!
Title: Re: Dating certificates & DVLA applications
Post by: SLIPPERY SAM on 15 June, 2017, 08:08:44
Went out on my maiden voyage last night - a short ride to my local classic bike club meet at Leadburn.  Happy to report everything went really well.  Bike started and ran fine, stayed oil tight and behaved it's self.  The bike went down really well at the gathering and despite there being a myriad of makes and models and owners (from Brough Superior to Yamaha 2 stroke) - the old A10 drew a fair bit of interest.
Very pleased with results of my labour.
On the ride there the motor ran smooth and quiet on the way back shortly after taking off I got a few coughs and splutters (still cold?) then after a couple of miles it cleared and felt twice as powerful as it did on the way out.  Given that's it's first 20 miles - I'll give it another 20 or 30 miles before I do the oil and set about some tuning.  Oh and will have a little look at the front brake - that didn't feel great (but new shoes and cable and all that so might just need a few miles to bed in?).
Couldn't be more pleased or proud of my old A10.

cheers Raymond.
Title: Re: Dating certificates & DVLA applications
Post by: MOONSDRIFT on 31 July, 2017, 18:20:21
Final update, after 41! weeks DVLA say my C15 requires MSVA, I had it inspected by DVLA back in June and the inspector said as he walked now the drive 'in 7-10 days you will get your log book'

I have spent not only the initial 25, but numerous stamps, phone calls, emails, photo's and time all for nothing. DVLA customer service is shocking, they replied to one email saying something like they would respond in three working days, they did not. When I phone some 20 days latter and asked about the email I was told ' we never respond to emails, it is an automated reply' I asked that they removed it to stop anyone else wasting thier time, but was told NO.

I am now left with a perfectly good C15 that will end up being broke for spares, irrespective of the process, DVLA customer service is abissmal.
Title: Re: Dating certificates & DVLA applications
Post by: DON GRAY on 01 August, 2017, 10:51:50
 :( Crikey Mark...... So sorry to hear your tale of woe. It really is shocking about DVLA's lack of performance. Whats an MSVA anyway? It would be sad to break the bike if it is up & running ok & engine & frame numbers match ok. Just wondering......Is it that there is something unusual about the bike or it's provenance that they are hesitating issuing a number? For instance, have you assembled the bike from parts from several others for instance, or changed it radically? Anyway, hope you get it sorted soon. Best of luck. Don.
Title: Re: Dating certificates & DVLA applications
Post by: JulianS on 01 August, 2017, 11:26:15
Probably means they are considering a "Q" plate because for some reason they dont think it qualifies for an age related plate. You need the Motor Cycle Single Vehicle Approval for the "Q" plate.

Some info on the DVLA website.

Would be worth speaking to someone there.
Title: Re: Dating certificates & DVLA applications
Post by: MOONSDRIFT on 01 August, 2017, 13:21:50
I do not know why, they have never said why. The fact remains it has taken 41 weeks to get this far.
Any other organisation you would have some redress for the time taken and lack of communication, just to let every one know, DVLA may not be strait forward.
Title: Re: Dating certificates & DVLA applications
Post by: MOONSDRIFT on 23 August, 2017, 21:36:11
Well this really is the final word on my DVLA tale of woe, today I received a letter from DVLA apologising for the poor service I have received, as way of recommence they are sending me 30, that's the 25 fee originally sent + an extra 5 (to spend on what ever I like) after almost ten months the claim to recover my V5C is over. I now have a complete mint C15 for breaking, mainly due to DVLA's incompetence.